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Women, the Fitnah, are dwellers of Hell?

Posted by Achelois on January 8, 2007

About three years ago ahadith that quoted women as ‘fitnah’ and ‘majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire’ upset me and I felt I was not going anywhere in religion because of my gender. Then I sincerely prayed to Allah to guide me. I told Him that I was misled, misguided, lost, and hopeless. I wanted Him to show me the Right Path. I wasn’t scared if the Path was different from what I had grown up to believe was Right. I just wanted to be led to what was Right. One morning I woke up, and just like that I fell in love with the Prophet (pbuh). There was no history, no magic, and no miracle. I woke up and felt this intense pull towards him. I realised that I was giving all those who supposedly narrated these ahadith and Bukhari more importance and credibility than the Prophet (pbuh). By thinking that Bukhari was infallible, I was making Muhammed (pbuh) fallible. I have no doubt in my mind now that somehow, somewhere, someone misquoted him with some “ahadith.”   For almost 18 months I have been trying to understand why the Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) said this:

Abu Said al-Khudri narrated: Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) on ‘Id-al-Adha or al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” (Bukhari 1.301).

I have consulted innumerable women and three professors of Islamic Studies regarding this hadith. Some women didn’t know about the hadith. Others accepted it as fate. The three professors said it is there in ‘the book’ of Bukhari and nothing is disputable. To cut the long tale short – I decided to find on my own the evidence which would support the hadith. 

First, even a cursory reading of the hadith would tell you that there is something odd about it. It doesn’t sound “Muhammedish.” Muhammed (pbuh), we know very well, was a very kind and polite man who spoke very little and smiled often. There are various ahadith that show that  Muhammed (pbuh) took time before ordering punishment for an errant person or even declaring war (remember the hadith where a fornicating woman came to him to confess her sin and he ignored her three times as if he never heard her?). Look at the following hadith and compare it with the hadith above about women: 

Narrated Abu Hurairah: While we were sitting with the Prophet a man came and said, “O Allah’s Apostle! I have been ruined.” Allah’s Apostle asked what was the matter with him. He replied “I had sexual intercourse with my wife while I was fasting.” Allah’s Apostle asked him, “Can you afford to manumit a slave?” He replied in the negative. Allah’s Apostle asked him, “Can you fast for two successive months?” He replied in the negative. The Prophet asked him, “Can you afford to feed sixty poor persons?” He replied in the negative. The Prophet kept silent and while we were in that state, a big basket full of dates was brought to the Prophet . He asked, “Where is the questioner?” He replied, “I (am here).” The Prophet said (to him), “Take this (basket of dates) and give it in charity.” The man said, “Should I give it to a person poorer than I? By Allah; there is no family between its (i.e. Medina’s) two mountains who are poorer than I.” The Prophet smiled till his premolar teeth became visible and then said, “Feed your family with it.” (Bukhari 3.157).

Do the two ahadith sound like they were said by the same person? Do you think a smiling Muhammed (pbuh) who eventually gave a basketful of dates to a man who had sex with his wife while fasting could have said, “I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you” to a group of women preparing to offer their prayers before Eid?

I don’t want to go into discourse analysis any further but if you read it a couple of more times you will be able to see that the vocabulary, syntax, and pattern of argumentation in the former hadith does not match those used by Muhammed (pbuh). This was just not his style. He also never ridiculed people with words like “A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” Remember he was the man who stood up to give respect to a passing Jewish funeral procession.  

Second, it is Islam that requires two women witnesses and disallows women to pray or fast during menstruation. How could the Prophet (pbuh) turn what he himself set down as Islamic rules into evidence against women? Why would he first say that a menstruating woman cannot pray and then announce that she lacks religiosity and is bound for Hell because she can’t pray during her period? I can’t believe that a man who used to put his head in the lap of his menstruating wife while reciting the Quran ever condemned women for menstruating. 

Finally, I have now read the concept of Hell in the Quran (which I hadn’t earlier) and there is not a single place in the entire Book where women are shown as special inmates of Hell. Hell is mentioned in 106 verses in the Quran and the words used for Hell-goers are ALWAYS gender neutral. The following are the exact words used to describe the types of people mentioned in the Quran who will be ‘rewarded’ with Hell: 

Guilty; Sinners; Disbelievers; Pagans; Idolaters; Rejecters; Those who return to the forbidden; Deviators; Wicked; Persecutors of Muslims  All of these words are gender-neutral. Only two verses in the Quran mention the gender of Hell-goers and both times it is clearly specified that men as well as women will go to Hell: 

“Bring ye up”, it shall be said, “The wrong-doers and their wives, and the things they worshipped- “Besides Allah, and lead them to the Way to the (Fierce) Fire! (Quran, 37.22-23) 

and  

And that He may punish the Hypocrites, men and women, and the Polytheists men and women, who imagine an evil opinion of Allah. On them is a round of Evil: the Wrath of Allah is on them: He has cursed them and got Hell ready for them: and evil is it for a destination. (Quran, 48.6) 

If women and men are going to hell together, how are there more women than men? And why would the Prophet (pbuh) contradict the Quran? Why would he speak so harshly to women? Why would he change his style of discourse when speaking to these women? Why would a man who had all daughters and several wives, who was always kind, polite and generous with women, and who banned female infanticide, suddenly denounce women like that? I don’t think he did.   Food for thought that we may not be the food for Hell… 

I’ll leave you to think about another hadith:  

Usaamah ibn Zayd (may Allaah be pleased with him) narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I am not leaving behind me any fitnah more harmful to men than women.” (Bukhari, 480 8)  

The first Muslim civil war after Muhammed (pbuh) was called ‘Battle of the Camel’ and popularly referred to as ‘Fitnah.’ This war was led by Aisha Bint Abu Bakr. The Fitnah eventually divided the Muslims into Shia and Sunni and was indeed very harmful.   If the Prophet (pbuh) did say this hadith, was he making a prophecy and is there more to this hadith than mere surface meaning?  

49 Responses to “Women, the Fitnah, are dwellers of Hell?”

  1. aluchaat Says:

    Accotrding to Islam, how were people created? Is it the story of Adam and Eve or the Big Bang theory that explains the existence of people?
    Or did Allah create us?

  2. Mona Says:

    thank you so much for this post. it’s brilliant! and i agree with you that the first hadeeth does not sound like the Prophet SAW at all.
    subhanAllah, that hadeeth used to bother me a lot too. i just stopped thinking about it after a while, because it doesn’t fit in with the Islamic framework.

  3. Suroor Says:

    Thanks Mona! It bothered me for a long time as well.

    Aluchaat, Muslims believe in the Adam and Eve story. No Big Bang. Allah created Adam and then created Eve to help Adam.

  4. aluchaat Says:

    In that case, Suroor, why will any biological process that Allah himself created be a cause of distance between Him and his follower?
    I have the same question to Hindus and Christians also…
    Allah in all his wisdom created a body in a particular way and I am sure that it is the most perfect process and brain, than anything does not support has to be incorrect or be taken with a pinch of salt/context, no?

  5. Suroor Says:

    You are very right, Aluchaat! Why create women and then throw them in Hell?! Or why make them bleed and then condemn them?! Well said, dear.

  6. Sumera Says:

    Ive often asserted that should women be deficient in intelligence as that hadith details, then why is there such an emphasis placed on “educate one woman - educate whole of mankind” (or however the saying goes)? If women were really so deficient in knowledge and intelligence, then they would not have been given the dominant role of primary caregiver and responsibility of raising children, instilling in them good morals and moulding their character.

    And regarding being inhabitants of hellfire and the reasons listed for it in that hadith? They are applicable to both sexes. Things that are rulings in Islam - such as women excused from praying/fasting when menstruating, and having 2 witnesses being equal for one (for business type transactions is my understanding for the reasoning behind this one) cannot then be used as evidence against women or as a means to account for their “shortcomings”.

    This hadith long bothered me also Suroor. But after much debate, critiquing and deliberating on it it doesn’t bother me as much as it seems to contradict itself at various points.

    We also seem to take things, terms, phrases etc too literally, as your last section succinctly demonstrates. Maybe the same applies for the dwellers of hell hadith…and numerous other hadiths.

  7. Maliha Says:

    Salamaat,
    a small clarification Suroor; the first ayah you quoted (Quran, 37.22-23) the word is “Azwajuhum” which translates more accurately as “Their spouses” (husbands OR wives). It irritates me that most translations just say “wives.”

  8. Anonymous Says:

    EXCELLENT post! You must have heard it many times but do you know that you are an excellent writer? It means a lot to know someone is not following the religion blindly but is thinking and evaluating all the time. You are honest too unlike some people who only mention how great everything is in religion.

    Thank you very much for taking time to post this.

    Do you think that the hadith that you have quoted in the end is not authentic? Men and women alike use it a lot.

  9. Muslim Apple Says:

    One of teachers Yaser Birjas spent a great deal of time going over this hadeeth in detail just for some of the same reasons you mentioned that it is often translated poorly into other languages and is used by men against women or causes women to doubt their faith.

  10. Surviving Says:

    I have been experiencing doubts lately. There just seems to be so much out there putting women down just because of our gender. It is so very frustrating.

  11. Haleem Says:

    When the Prophet said he had seen the majority of the Hell dwellers were women, it could be because:

    a) he could have been visiting the women’s section of hell.
    b) maybe the majority of heaven was also women!
    c) since we know there will be more women in the future than men (50 to 1) therefore it follows that there will be more women in hell because there were more women on earth.

    Jokes apart, I was at a stage of cynicism and doubting of traditional religious structure for some time too (though for different reasons than you, Suroor).

    What mostly bugged me was the double standards because there is what we believed Islam to be, and then there is what we practised. I will try to put it properly in a post of my own sometime, but everytime I try to, I can’t make it into any coherent manner.

    For example, we believe men and women should be segregated, even at weddings. Yet we also believe men and women shouldn’t be talking to each other, ever. Yet most couples I know were matched up during someone else’s weddings in Bangladesh. So something that is ideal and Islamic (i.e. segregation) is something that is not practical. I think a lot of Islam is hangover from 7th century and needs to be rethought. There, I have said it.

  12. Suroor Says:

    I agree Sumera. Very good point! If women are so stupid why trust them with your kids?!

    Salaam Maliha. That is Yusuf Ali’s translation. Shakir translates “azwajuhum” to “associates”! Whether “azwajuhum” refers to husbands or wives, the idea is that both sexes are hell bound together :)
    Thanks Anonymous, I think Islam is great, some people screw up sometimes. I really don’t know about the last hadith, Anonymous. I haven’t researched it, really.

    That’s great Muslim Apple! So what are his conclusions? Do you have the link if his work is published online?

    I know Surviving! I have doubts and I feel so lost. It’s a constant struggle to prove religion to yourself.

    Haleem, you have raised some really important points and I want to comment but I’ll save them for your post because I want to say so much on your blog. I feel what you are saying. I said the hangover thing on my previous blog and it completely threw off a few people!

  13. shaz Says:

    a few years ago we were at ris and dr tariq swedan had an excellent lecture about the differences between men and women in islam. i have the lecture on cd. I will get it to you if you are interested. he explained a lot of ahadith and verses…

  14. sf Says:

    I have found that whoever belittled a woman was a man, whoever told all these “women will go to hell,being fitna,bla,bla, are men. Islam has high regards for women, being given the highest respects and still, you read/hear/are taught that women are nothing but trouble. All my muslim teachers were male thus the teachings or *quotes* were given in *kilos* hehehe :), then they bring the men are tempted by women, have a strong imaan,no one will tempt you!!!

  15. Irving Says:

    Many hadiths seem to be badly translated, either by poor scholarship or patriachal male intention, or for political reasons of the times. My heart tells me this: If any saying of the Prophet (pbuh) did not in kindness, compassion, mercy, courtesy, gentleness and love, which were his natural traits, then they are false hadiths by the reasons stated above. Put no stock in them. Let them not sway you from the truth of love and Allah’s mercy and compassion toward all of His servants. That is how I have always looked at all Holy Books, and that is the truth.

    Ya Haqq!

  16. Suroor Says:

    Shaz, it would be great, if you could do that! Thanks

    sf, I like “*quotes* were given in *kilos*” :) You are really funny! I love your sense of humour.

    Irving you are so right and so wise. Inshallah, I’m adopting this too.

  17. Maryam Says:

    haha@ haleem’s comment about most of “islam being a hangover fromthe 7th century!” that’s such a funny but accurate way of putting it.

    thanks for bringing this up suroor, yes I’ve had my share of being traumatized by this hadeeth. I agree it does make the prophet p.b.u.h very different from his usual words that never belittle a group etc.

    I have heard an explanation of this hadeeth in the Famous Women of Islam series by Dr.Umar Faruq Abd’Allah. I don’t remember exactly what he said but he provided a context for the hadeeth and mentioned that the prophet made the comment towards a group of Medinan women who were in general, very intelligent and had a lot of influence over their husbands. I believe he implied that the prophet was warning them that they could lead their husbands astray because they had the ability to. SOMETHING LIKE THAT. It made a whole lot more sense when he explained it and contextualizing it allowed us to see the dialogue that was already existing at that time about Makkan women and Medinan women. These important points are not narrated in the hadith itself but are vital for us to understand it.

    Anyway, that was my one and a half cents :)

  18. Jamila Says:

    I have also heard the same (as Maryam) about the context of this hadith. I think that this is usually the problem with these things. When things are taken out of context, so much can be used against women.

  19. Jamila Says:

    i wanted to add that i used to think no matter what the context,how could the Prophet blame women for having their periods which are just part of our creation after all? But then i thought about how he was specifically addressing a group of women and it was a warning to keep on their guard. i have noticed when i am menstruating, sometimes if i don’t try hard to make lots of dhikr, my iman does decrease just because i don’t have the connection with Allah that is Salat. We have to compensate for not praying, this doesn’t mean that there is something negative about periods. Perhaps the Prophet was just trying to stir up thought amongst this group of women so that they took things associated with their femaleness into account and paid attention to them, perhaps he could have also said that a lot of men are deficient in their emotions! Would this automatically be taken as a male hostile statement? The “deficiency” in intelligence is usually explained as being a propensity for emotional rather that logical thinking. I used to think this was rubbish but now i’m not so sure.

  20. Brooke Says:

    Asalamu Walaikum,
    I’m so dizzy now sister. When I first read this hadith some time ago, I didn’t think it was talking ’bout me. It was talking about some other muslimahs…then yesterday I went here… http://ghurabiyyah.blogspot.com/2007/01/solving-marital-conflict.html... and it was talking about me. I spent most of the day ignoring my kids and responsibilities. I contemplated these words and ate lots of chocolate and pretzels. I do feel deficient in my intellect WHEN I am clouded by my emotions. So, at the end of the day and after a chat with my closest sister companion I felt much better. I resolved to work on some of my worst nafs…and now today I swing by here and I am just dizzy. Really, if I think any harder I may bring on a migraine. Sigh. Alhumdiallah.
    Thanks for blogging Uhkti.

  21. Brooke Says:

    Ooo bad linking dinky.

    http://ghurabiyyah.blogspot.com/2007/01/solving-marital-conflict.html

  22. Mezba Says:

    Personally this hadith has also bothered me. I think it might have been translated/transmitted badly. But firstly, I would say that even if a hadith is true it doesn’t mean it is universally applicable.

    For example the Prophet clearly said “No Muslim should take the life of another Muslim.” This is true hadith. Yet the punishment for murder is death sentence by beheading. If a Muslim is convicted of murder, can a Muslim jallad (or hangman) execute the beheading, given this hadith? Yes, would go most people, as logic and common sense means this hadith is not applicable here, even if it is true.

    Similarly here the Prophet was probably (if it is true) talking to a particular group of women. Moreover, the Prophet sometimes was not speaking as a Prophet but as a man. We learned in RIS how the Prophet’s wives sometimes used to argue with him and even disobey him. Was the Messenger of God wrong then, or was the Prophet’s wives just disobeying Muhammad (pbuh) the man, not the Prophet?

    What can be safely concluded here is that if someone takes this hadith to mean women are inferior and not deserving of equal rights as man then they would be going against the spirit of Islam. Because Allah SWT is Just and His religion cannot be unjust or illogical.

  23. Aisha Says:

    “By thinking that Bukhari was infallible, I was making Muhammed (pbuh) fallible.”

  24. Aisha Says:

    Ummmm I’m realy annoyed it deleted my entire comment except for the quote. The reason I quoted that was saying that you raise a good point that people don’t often consider. I find it sad these days that people say that this or that is indisputable in religion. I think that discussion and discourse should be encouraged not shut out. Does not God say “will you not use your reason” in the Quran?

    Its an interesting timly post for me because I’mr eading ARmstron’s “Muhammad” which is a fantastic insight to the man the Prophet was and I agree, the hadith in the beginnng surely does not sound like the man he was.

  25. Suroor Says:

    Dear Maryam, Jamila, Brooke, Mezba and Aisha,

    Thanks for your detailed comments! I always greatly appreciate discussion that may further help me to understand what I set out to understand.

    I can see that quotes always make immediate sense when the context is considered. The first time I read this hadith was on an anti-Islamic website and my gut reaction was to reject it until I read it in Bukhari and then I began my quest to understand it. Because it is in Bukhari, I was automatically wary of rejecting it unlike what I did initially. The same hadith has been chopped in presented in other compilations in which it only refers to women as thankless and so going to Hell. Again the manner in which it is presented is that it gives the impression that entry into Paradise hinges on a woman’s behaviour with her husband.

    I have read this particular hadith in Arabic and the translation I gave here is not poorly. I don’t disagree with it because it is against women; I disagree because it doesn’t sound like Muhammed (pbuh) the Prophet, the man of exceptional qualities. Even if the Prophet (pbuh) was addressing an exceptionally stupid group of women, I don’t think he would have been so blunt. There is a clan in Arabia that is very slow (excuse me for saying this). I’m not naming it but they have this fatal flaw. Many teachers agree that students with the specific clan name are “very slow.” Nothing you can do will make them smarter, but I have never seen any teacher tell the students that they are the most “naqasaat aqal” (deficient in intelligence). I’m talking about the choice of words here (even in Arabic). Muhammed (pbuh), the Prophet, didn’t use such words.

    I also disagree with it because I have personally never felt away from Allah when I can’t pray. In fact I feel a stronger connection with Him because my gratitude and communication with Him is not dependant on regimented five time motion that is preset. I also doubt it because men and women are equally ‘clouded’ in intellect at one time or another. There are days when I’m a total dumb fool and there are days when I’m extremely attentive but my husband, or my father, or brothers and even my son are slow and plain dumb. Their excuse is lack of sleep, or a viral cold, or lack of caffeine, or stress. My excuse *given by men* is period! Men and woman have different ways of handling stress but it doesn’t mean that men are emotionally stronger and thereby more intelligent.

    Mezba you said “What can be safely concluded here is that if someone takes this hadith to mean women are inferior and not deserving of equal rights as man then they would be going against the spirit of Islam” and for this Mezba, you my hero!

    Aisha, did you like the book?

  26. Samiha Esha Says:

    Its a nice post :)

  27. malai Says:

    another hadeeth explained by Dr. Khaled Abou El Fadl in Speaking in God’s Name…I believe he wrote that this conversation is reported as having a jesting or teasing tone. In other words the Prophet pbuh was joking with the old ladies hanging out under the tree.

    I still hate this hadeeth, and u r right, it doesn’t sound very much like the Prophet.

  28. Suroor Says:

    Malai, I haven’t told you that I love you VERY much! You are so honest; I have never met anyone as honest as you. Love you darling!

  29. justagal Says:

    I think it has much to do with my upbringing that I have difficulty accepting certain hadiths such as the one you mentioned. The feminist movement has made large numbers of women in the West acutely aware of themselves as victims and so anything vaguely anti-woman in the hadith literature leaves us feeling very uncomfortable. I think the women of Mecca were generally very strong and self assured and so wouldn’t have felt their whole being was under attack by being brought down a peg. Perhaps it was done to inculcate a sense of modesty in them. Whilst I do the whole obedience to my husband thing, asking permission before leaving the house etc..when I and think about what I’m doing, I do feel oppressed and resentful an wonder what sort of a Muslim I am. I would like my daughter (when she grows up, inshAllah} to embrace her wifely duties without her soul putting up painful resistance.

  30. Suroor Says:

    You are right, Justagal. There are many things I reject impulsively because my “feminized” mind doesn’t accept it. However, I don’t mind asking my husband for permission for anything even when he isn’t in the same country. When he’s traveling I call him and ask if I can go to the mall, for example. My friends think it’s submission but I know and he knows its love. I even ask him before calling my parents and he hates it when I do it but I can’t call them without him knowing. Even with all this, times have changed in 1400 years and they had to change. Yet, we believe that Islam is for all times and for all people.

    To be frank, the first time I read the hadith it was the tone that shook me more than the concept. I can bring my head around to understanding it (e.g., he was joking or addressing a very stupid group of women etc) but the tone even in the original Arabic is harsh and I can’t believe that the Prophet (pbuh) could ever talk to anyone in that tone. When Aisha (pbuh) broke her co-wife’s plate, he picked up the broken pieces and smiled and said that she was jealous. When she slapped a co-wife, he smiled again and asked her how she would feel if he slapped her back? When he smiled, ahadith especially mentioned that he smiled and exactly how much he smiled. His wives were very strong women and argued with him but there is not a single hadith in which we hear that he snapped back at them or even told off his daughters. If he didn’t ever tell them off, how could he talk to strange women like that?

    I think why women reject anything even ‘vaguely anti-woman’ is because we cannot accept that Islam can be anti-woman. I have been reading and hearing about the “status of women in Islam” even before I knew the difference between girls and women. As I grew older, anti-women laws and rules were shoved in my face and I was totally confused. A man, you tell me, banned female infanticide and championed women rights. Then he gave women the leeway not to pray for a certain time every month, and later I’m told that he said that women lack religiosity only because of the leeway given to them. Something’s missing…

  31. Muslim Apple Says:

    Suroor, I’ve been really busy this week, but in sha Allah this weekend I’ll post the highlights from my notes from our class discussion on this hadeeth. I might make it a separate post on my blog and just leave the Cliffs Notes version over here in the comments.

  32. Suroor Says:

    Ah! Lovely! Thanks so much Muslim Apple! That’ll be so great and I look forward to your post.

  33. sonia Says:

    well there are clearly a lot of male chauvinists who’ve tried to mould the religion to their liking. Phooey to them.

  34. Kevin Abdullah Kareem Says:

    Salaam Aleikom dear brothers and sisters, my name is Kevin Adullah Kareem, i’m the owner of http://www.islamic-answers.com , i jus came across this blogspot by coincidence ,and i noticed the discussion here areound the hadeeth in question, actually after researching and studying this hadeeth for a long, my article on it for my website is almost finished , it can be read at:

    http://islamic-answers.com/are_women_defficient_in_intelligence_and_religion___

    Inscha’allah it will clarify a lot of misconceptions many people have around this hadeeth, which after close examination does not at all depict or insults women.Context [ reading this hadeeth in the light of the rest of islamic laws , quranic verses and authentic hadeeth ] and understanding figure way of speech by it is crucial in interpretating and understanding this hadeeth.

    ma salama
    your brother in faith

    Kevin Abdullah Kareem

  35. Salman Khalid Says:

    Assalam-o-aliekum,

    Sister, first of all, let me express happiness that you remained strong in faith even with doubts risen in your mind after reading this hadith.

    I myself was quite confused about this hadith when i first came across it, and did some research on it. I would like to share with you one of the articles that i came across and that made most sense. InshAllah you will find it quite informative and sound.

    Please follow the following link;

    http://www.ourdialogue.com/answers/articles.php?action=show&showarticle=3560

    Assalam-o-aleikum,
    Your brother in faith,
    Salman Khalid.

  36. Suroor Says:

    Salaam brother Salman,

    Thank you for the link and jazak Allah khair! It is informative and interesting.

  37. Aby Says:

    As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,

    My dear sister in deen, I pray to Allah swt that He guides us to be on the path of the muttaqun, this hadith is very often misquoted and misunderstood, and it has been an instrument for the haters of Islam to bash the status of women in Islam.

    I hope that you visit the link I am supplying below and review your opinion on the same. I also pray to Allah swt that you will update your blog if you change your view on this subject.

    http://www.answering-christianity.com/karim/women_not_deficient_in_intelligence_and_religion.htm

    Rabbi innee aaoothu bika an asalaka ma laysa lee bihi aailmun wailla taghfir lee watarhamnee akun mina alkhasireena

    My Rabb! I seek refuge with You that I would ask You what I did not have knowledge of. And if You do not forgive me and have mercy on me, I will be of the losers!” - 11:47

    As salaamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu,
    Brother in deen,
    Aby

  38. Suroor Says:

    Salaam Aby,

    You wrote - “this hadith is very often misquoted and misunderstood, and it has been an instrument for the haters of Islam to bash the status of women in Islam.”

    I agree with that. Muslims and non-Muslims alike have often quoted this hadith to hurt Muslim women. Thanks for the link, brother and jazak Allah for it. I have visited the link before but its always pleasant to read. I’m glad that Muslim men have read appropriate material analysing the hadith and are concerned about it. That is a positive step forward.

    Many thanks again!

  39. M Says:

    Isn’t there also another hadith that says at one point, women will outnumber men 50:1?

    Does that have any significance here?

  40. Achelois Says:

    Maybe it does, M. I read somewhere else that this hadith was transmitted by a child. Not that I don’t trust children (they hardly know how to lie until age seven) but I don’t know just how effectively they can verbally record something said.

  41. Proud Atheist Says:

    Achelois, I came to your blog from The Apostate who made an interesting observation about you. I spent the entire afternoon reading your archives. You have some interesting thoughts too. I’m curious to learn why you continue to believe in god when you can clearly note that he has no mercy for women (arguing that you believe in god). Why is it that at critical points you fail to see that Mohammed wrote what he saw fit? Perhaps Moses and Mohammed never even existed. For all I care I think Jesus is fable too. I can email you great articles which discuss the benefits of atheism. It is sad to see a smart woman like you believe in someone like Mohammed. What did he do for women besides caging them? Where was god then?

  42. Achelois Says:

    PA, I’m going to post a response to you as an entry.

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  44. Xalimah Says:

    Salaams, Ahelois.

    I’ve followed the link to this post that you’ve left in Unique’s blog and I have to say that I’m really impressed with the post and comments. This is an area that I’ve myself struggled with, my heart is now at ease, due to what was written by the brothers and sisters here. Jizaak Allah. May Allah bless you all. :)

  45. sistersgotink Says:

    I am so glad to have this post and commentary to come back to when this hadith and the sort of fall-out around it has been exactly what got me out of bed at 4 AM!
    Love and Peace,
    ~Brooke

  46. Lonely Reader Says:

    Salaam sister,

    Very good post mashAllah.

    Another food for thought…. the dua to be recited on the first night only speaks of the evil in women!

    When you marry a woman or buy a maidservant, you should say: ‘O Allaah, I ask You for the goodness within her and the goodness that you have made her inclined towards, and I take refuge with You from the evil within her and the evil that you have made her inclined towards.’

    I don’t know if im the only one but i was hurt reading this, i mean its your wedding night yet your presumed to be full of evil!! If thats the case why do men marry us!! Talk about a romantic start to the rest of your lives together and oh, I gather men are so pur and evil free are they….NOT! sometHing generic for both the husband and wife would have been nice!

  47. burdened Says:

    Excellent discussion as always :)

    Hmmm, i just had a thought, seeing as sooo many women have chosen to remain single, that means this hadith cannot be applied today, as single women have no husband to displease, will therefore not be complaining or ungrateful wives and subsequently will not earn any ‘angelic curse!’ ;)

    Thank you for waking me up! Misinterpretations of hadiths have clearly depressed countless women.

  48. FedUP! Says:

    Suroor, need your help on this one…

    Back to the issue of having 2 male witness per 1 man, this is for financial/business crimes only right?

    If the reason is due to menstrual weaknesses, i.e the emotional grief experienced, poor memory, concentration etc which most women will agree is true, but i’m thinking, what if both female witness are on their period? Do we take along a non-menstruating woman? I”m not mocking here, just wanting clarification as it’s bothering me!

    HELP! ;)

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